This process is flawed as well. They are still evolving. He sees them as the root of Evil. But that path is so slow that unconscionable suffering will be inflicted if we take this meandering route. God is the source of all bad legalism and conscience. I found this out firsthand while writing this, so I want to give a HUGE thank you to Jordan Stern for discussing these ideas with me and reviewing this post. Sam Harris is a bit different than the other ‘celebrity atheists’ in that he has participated in long buddhist retreats. Joined: Apr 13, 2012 Messages: 7,155 Likes Received: 60. That path has so much needless suffering, too many doctrines that causes more harm than good. The slower route of revising our narratives over time might be the safer decision. Suffering is complicated, and everyone suffers in different ways and from different causes. This is close to Peterson’s view of God, which focuses less on belief and more on skilful means and action—God is a living principal to work with. Sam Harris vs. Jordan Peterson: The Vancouver Debates Decoded An analysis and comparison of the two intellectual’s arguments surrounding religion, truth, and meaning. To Sam Harris, God is a mean Daddy who sits on his throne in the sky telling us that we can’t have the fun (read: masturbation) we really want to be having.
Whether I was trying to craft it or not, this story came from somewhere inside of me.
To be fair, I want to point out what I see as the weakest parts of my argument: Thank you for taking the time to walk through this analysis. This importance of this cannot be understated. We will better appreciate the similarities and differences of human beings, and how to best generalize scientific findings. So instead Peterson would rather rely on values that come from within and are updated by the process of natural selection.
The fact that we have a lowest possible valley gives us directionality. But if it is improbable for people to adopt that morality, then a more flawed view of morality that is easier to adopt may actually be a better option for the human race. The major crux of my argument is the stability of Sam’s anchor to reality.
Matt dillihanty's debate with Peterson against religion was good. What you come up with would be the least interesting idea in the universe. Peterson disagrees with Sam, saying that there is no way to connect facts and values. To reduce religion to scientism strips the poetry from the spiritual endeavour and leaves us mere techniques out of context. Havn't watched but I find Harris's arguements against religion almost juvenile an narrow sighted. Maybe that story resonates deeply with people, because it does hold some truth that is known somewhere in the mind. In Jordan he hears someone otherwise logical and intelligent (and kind and useful) say 7 good things out of ten, and then use the last three to go off into what basically equates to numerology. It fits with our intuitions AND our logic. An important strength of these innate truths is that they have an anchor. The same goes for valleys: there are many different ways to suffer. Bob Gray Deadlights Belt Platinum Member. I would rephrase the question this way: Did Harris open your mind to something new—or did Peterson?
Beliefs that cannot be questioned.
I cannot say which of these actions will do the most good for this individual in their lifetime, but I can tell you which is the LEAST LIKELY to help. You could reach a certain level of fulfillment in a way completely at odds with someone who is also at that exact same level of fulfillment. Sam sees harm in believing things that aren’t true, and much of his career is based on fighting those things. There could be some nuance here that’s not captured, but this is the basic idea of what he was saying. When groups have incompatible versions of reality, they work toward different goals. Harris believes that you can derive values from facts.
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